However, I try my best to make it no shorter than trim length but if I happen to go a few thousandths shorter than trim length, I don't sweat it and shoot it anyway. I have beleaved that the bullet should be as close to the throat of the barrel without touching or being forced against or to far away. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Re: case length, how often to check? Posted by 1 year ago. What is too short too use? Great idea and awesome tutorial too! Say, .375 H&H? The Sinclair instructions have a warning that says maintain the case length so that it is a minimum of .024" shorter than the chamber length so that comes out to 1.556". the small amt. Basically the shortest that will retain the bullet. If you want me to try YOUR ammo, let me use Your gun! Take a look. For best accuracy it is good to have a consistent case length. Not too surprising that it does not show up on target at 200 yards though. I just went ahead and loaded only the cases that were in the GTG margin. Because of this allowance, the Manufacturer’s Initial Length will sometimes be slightly shorter than SAAMI minimum length. Close up of long and short case. This is a “one-time only” prepara- tion of any and all cases to be used in the X-Sizer die." The same thing can happen to rifle cases, unless you go with the Lee FCD. Something with good drape and flow) Ruler, scissors, and other basic sewing supplies; Step 1: Determine how much length you want to add to the top. The brass is shorter than the specs in the reloading manual (2.015"). Beginner reloader here. So let me start by saying I am new to C#. Being shorter than the trim-to-length will not cause any safety problems, but may degrade accuracy. My problem is I’m lucky if I get 5 cases at or over the “trim to length” out of the whole 100 case bag. Most cases are up to 9 thou shorter that the trim to length. JMHO Trimming is needed if the case is above its maximum length and is necessary for uniform crimping. i rarely need to trim though. Because new cases are often slightly smaller in diameter than a fired and resized case, some allowance needs to be given for the initial case stretch that can occur when fired in the chamber. If these are mixed with normal cases that could be a problem since your dies will be set up to correctly crimp one length and not the other. I have seen match grade ammo have a case length shorter than trim length. Your reloading manual will show you a maximum length and a trim-to length. Anything from 2.005” to 2.015” is safe to use. I have fired several cases that were trimmed too short. Visit the SWFA.com site to check out our current specials. The minimum length is not as critical as the maximum length. So I neck sized them using my Hornady die, but after sizing the casings measure at 51,04 - 51,08mm or 2,009 - 2,011" and according to some googling a .308 casing should be 51,18mm or 2,014". With those dies you are instructed to trim the cases 0.020 inches shorter than Max: "All cases must be sized and trimmed to the same overall length. Then all my cases were short by the depth of the divot, and kept getting shorter as the divot got deeper. Hi! Add Length to Your Shorts So I have green and blue shorts that I bought from Old Navy last summer. What to do with cases that dont measure up to at least trim length. On average, the luteal phase is between 12 and 14 days. If over all case length is below max. After what seems like forever of collecting reloading equipment, then when the moment came ALL powder and primers disappear. The Lee Precision Cutter and Lock Stud works for most calibers. But in 20 pcs there are variations of .010 to.015 . 45-90 case for measuring a .45-70 chamber or reforming a .45-90 case to use in a .40-65 chamber. I would just load them to the proper OAL and fire them. Their trim to length was 2.005. For the best results, full-length resize each case and trim to .020” under maximum case length. Too short top; Fabric ( lightweight knit or rayon-y woven fabrics, chiffon. Excuse my poor English, i'm still learning it's not my native language. I'm reloading .308. About straight walled revolver cases, all my load manuals show a “trim to case length” which I believe is the case length used in their published load recipes. like it was said above you might lose some consistency if you are looking for benchrest groups due to the inconsistent neck tension. Where could I find minimum lengths for other calibers? So how can a 5.56 NATO case be trimmed to the shorter length of a .223 case when a 5.56 out of the box has a longer case ... sure how many times fired) and a 5.56 that measures 1.756 (fired once). not the best place for a typo, i know, but that was supposed ot be .008. As the 9mm is a tapered case it will gain a little length on resizing. After a case has been loaded and fired a few times, it may stretch beyond the maximum allowed length and must be trimmed. Exceeding the maximum length can cause pressure spikes as the case mouth may not be able to expand properly to release the bullet. 4. Also the casing have not been trimmed or chamfered, only neck sized and deprimed. I know different case lengths will change bullet seating depth. Cookies help us deliver our Services. They have been shot once from the same gun i will be shooting them from after loading. Both too short or too long can hurt you. I was using my calipers and checking everything. I feel like I'm just repeating code, is there a way to shorten it? And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. As the case body and neck expand, the case tries to shorten slightly and the case lip tends to pull back. I don't crimp .223 so the neck being a little short makes no difference. Question, I just used my Sinclair Chamber Length Gage Insert on my Savage 6 BR and got a reading of 1.580". Trim length = length where you trim the cases to when they are too long AFTER sizing Max-case length = maximum allowable case length at which point the neck may interfere with where the chamber ends in the rifle and could "crimp" the end of the brass into the bullet when chambered, resulting in a potential overpressure condition. The minimum case length, by the book, is .744. I have never heard of any real world absolute minimum case length for any bottlenecked cartridge. I put together a little bench with som lee precision presses and dies, I have everything I need but In my manual I can only seem to find the maximum length for the case. i suppose the load could have impact on case length, hot or mild load. Did you resize the cases prior to measuring? So i have about 100 PPU branded .308 casings. Quick Method 1 As already noted, this method requires a case longer than the chamber. Its all about the difference between SAAMI specs and 'real world': SAAMI Case Length is .992"-.010" SAAMI Chamber is .992"+.012" If you mic your unfired or resized cases, likely you'll find they are far shorter than the .992" SAAMI max length. Pre-set case trimmers like Lee trim .005” less than Maximum for bottleneck cartridges. Are mine too short to use? Reply Delete. I seem to recall a recommended minimum neck length of 1/2 bullet diameter. Probably not a problem if you don't prep a high volume of cases but it's something to watch for over time. 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