It's so hypocritical of the cops to constantly chastise the vigilante for destroying other people's lives because she jumped the gun in outing the pedophile and didn't get the details right. How many stories like this are there in total? You're right, I did noticed S2's pattern of going for the unusual suspects. To me, it seems to be driven by the desire to watch the man's life burn. You talk about insults I never used, but you are the one who from the first post started off by aggresively suggesting that the only reason someone might disagree with you is by not reading your posts carefully enough. Why are we supposed to believe that they’re any better? Let the trained professionals handle the rest instead of go full vigilante. But no, in the last few minutes, the audience was told that she is not only a vigilante, but also a bad mother and apparently paranoid. [–]llumox 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago* (6 children). [–]arcelios 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago (0 children). Among the cast of the new outing, there are several very familiar faces - … [–]ManitouWakinyan 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (1 child), [–]llumox 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children). I suppose you're under the impression that as long as you don't sink low enough to use a traditionally bleep-worthy insult, you can be as rude and angry as you want, and everyone will just be okay with it? My main problem with this season is the fact that it repeated the exact same plot twist 3 episodes in a row. This unilateral pressure can funnel the error away from type 2 into type 1. That bothered me so much, so hypocritical of them! "), but even if the ending went the other way, it wouldn't have affected their mindset all that much. I never said the other side of the coin doesn't deserve any representation. But Alex isn't sitting in jail, and he possibly has legal recourse to clear his name, depending on what he does next. The lesser known one is a guy was accused of groping a woman in a tube station, a fav that was proven he did not due to both his hands being occupied, but the woman was convinced it was him, right until the freeze frame from cctv proved it definitely wasn’t him, yet he was slandered in the mean time. The reveal in the third act - when Nat tells her they just learned Social Services took her kids away - is that her life essentially stopped 5 years previously: She's still portraying herself as a concerned Mum of two kids who fits Pesticide around a busy life, when in reality outing alleged paedophiles is 100% of her life (Tony marvels that 19000 tweets had been sent on the preceding two years). It all seemed to me that she sent out the packages to fulfil her personal thirst for vengeance more than anything else. Dunne had started it a few years back when she discovered that one of the teachers in her daughter’s school had been fired for the possession of child pornography. Not all law enforcement is properly trained and often times rapists and pedophiles don’t even receive punishment. I didn't look for patterns to criticize. I just feel in her line of work it's extremely irresponsible of her to have this " women good, men bad" thinking and she should sort it out, [–]Extra-Duty-8154 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children). Episode 2: Evil Woman No.2 and her friend, Evil Woman No.3, slept around for promotions and then accused innocent men of rape, ruining the lives of at least two men. Like the dad either fancys her girlfriends when they come over or he might even be into his own daughter. To direct the story around these important and terrible circumstances, while shining light on some of the lesser thought of victims or instances. [–]letmeeatcake97 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (2 children), I obviously understand that and even though im a man I also have these blind spots in thinking that women in general are kinder, more polite etc than men, though I'm not a detective. Like how is an 11 year old going to do anything you mentioned? It also seems weird in season 1 they had a stereotyped pink haired (lesbian?) [–]dadbot_2 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (1 child), Hi not sure how they could better portray that aspect of rape allegations without portraying it this way, I'm Dad, [–]DexHexMexChex 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children), I thought this was hilarious but I think the bot needs a little more fine tuning, [–]natus92 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children), [–]petitquokka 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (0 children), I thought the same, and was not surprised to see that the writer was male, [–]lavivavival 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (1 child). [–]_Lonni_ 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (6 children). I'm not tarnishing the episode, I'm just writing what I thought of it, like everyone else here. The police feels no responsibility and no remorse, the guy actually said he lost interest 3 minutes ago. The obsession to catch them out and protect all kids from monster may stem from a sense of guilt and desire to compensate for it because she was a monster once. She isn’t worried since she’s perfectly confident she has done nothing wrong, and she claims not to need a lawyer. The fact that Danielle believed a brown envelope with “Pesticide” written on it in felt-tip pen was opened immediately by Scotland Yard is hilarious but also telling of how little she recognizes the potential harm of what she’s doing — in reality, her package was taken to security for three days before it was eventually opened. [–]NjY2 10 points11 points12 points 3 months ago (1 child). [–]gopms 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (0 children). So was it all justified if she brought down a paedophile by her acts? It would be incredibly boring if every episode featured a black man being a villain, since in real life that's the most "statistically correct" representation of a criminal. Colin Hutton/Netflix. "Criminal: UK" Danielle subtitles Season: 2 - Episode: 3. As long as the on-the-fence audience understood this message moving forward, it opens up the opportunity for them to believe that a crime could have been committed even when the accused perpetrator doesn't "look" like one. No, of course she is more evil than that. And whether intentionally or unintentionally, this is the message that comes across: "Men become evil because they're too ambitious. You ignored this big part of my comment entirely. Agreed. It's interesting to note that the creators and writers are all male and one is a conservative/redpill/mens-rights type. Danielle Dunne is brought in for questioning regarding the actions of her online vigilante community, Pesticide. [–]erakat 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago (9 children). The consequences of this kind of accusation can be much much worse than those of rape, because sadly rape is somewhat normalised in society and as episode 2 shows, commonly thought to be false. It just brings forward the danger of premature judgement for us to note down. This is as real aspect of reality as actual rapes, and as worthy of mentioning as other crimes, whether you like it or not. This episode really left a bad taste in my mouth - especially coming right after alex's one. You prove what I've noticed before, you are offended by literary anything - first and foremost different opinion than yours. Our reactions to events are built by what we've seen in life after all. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. It just sounded they were annoyed or feeling insulted that somebody was doing it without having the official role/power to do so instead of them ("Just a game", "vigilante" vs "real Police", etc.) And I know I'm not the only one. Repetitive, predictable, dull, unrealistic. Personal drama and portraying emotions well is basically the point. Dozens if not hundreds of times. But damn, the dialogue and acting in this show is superb. Follow the storyline and condemn the woman for her actions but not the police ? But with Danielle, the consequence of falsely accuse someone is the whole case. The ending when they mentioned the large number of tweeting stopping all of a sudden made me think for a second that her group was protecting themselves by making it look like she was working alone. And this is why you leave it to law enforcement to deal with these kinds of things. [–]PatronOfPocketKnives 24 points25 points26 points 3 months ago (13 children). I lived next door to a man who sexually assaulted me when I was 11 and he was in his 60’s for 7 years because the police didn’t press charges. The plot doesn't matter as much in this show as it does in most, the show is entirely about getting in peoples heads and how they react. So, of course there exist many terrible women criminals who ruin lives and belong in prison. In fact, the police can sometimes feel pressured by public opinion to close a case quickly/get the conviction the public desires. How are we supposed to feel towards this team? [–]FearlessTomorrowMay 6 points7 points8 points 3 months ago* (0 children). Real "family court took my kids for being a psycho" so now I must get revenge on the evil pedophiles hiding around every corner, [–]thesilvalining 13 points14 points15 points 3 months ago (11 children). Danielle Lloyd is 'furious' after being dragged into the 'Wagatha Christie' court battle, MailOnline can reveal today - as Rebekah Vardy apologised in court … You can check out our thoughts on the previous episode by clicking these words. Criminal: UK. I did NOT see that ending plot twist coming, such a good episode. [–]Lucifer_Crowe 5 points6 points7 points 3 months ago (5 children), with Kit Harrington it's like "oh no we ruined your life sorry bud that sucks hate that for you k bye", and then today it's like "omg you ruined a guys life how dare you you monster. I didn't attack you even once. ), because you chose to be offended by something that's only in your head. The episode more than anything doesn't nessasarily disparage her methods of obtaining this evidence as ineffective just the methods she herself lashes out as justice, although it does chastise them. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: Subreddit for the Netflix Original TV Series 'Criminal'. With Katherine Kelly, Lee Ingleby, Rochenda Sandall, Shubham Saraf. The cast is full of big names, with a mix of new faces among the core cast. Also with how up-close and personal everything is they can't afford to show a shot of bad acting. She also commented on what it would be like not to know your partner was involved. For a few seconds at the beginning of the episode, I thought Danielle was going to be a vigilante against Alex (Kit Harrington’s character) since he “walked free.” Would have been interesting, but DAMN! Yet unlike Criminal UK, this didn't feel stale or prejudiced. I'd be surprised if any of them saw these episodes and went "ah bugger, I guess I won't trust anyone who reports sex crimes from now on then". The media took one incident and spun it how they wanted to, for click bait and to sell papers. In her path of bringing down one paedophile, she destroyed an innocent man's life (and the other 2 innocent people Tony mentioned had committed suicide), probably psychologically damaged him, and severely injured a child. Maybe it's because I'm just coming off the back of the last episode, which left me with a sour taste in my mouth. I believed in it. What's the issue here? Oh yeah, they'll take comfort in the fact that he will do it again to someone else, make them suffer and maybe for some reason that time he'll get caught? Criminal UK Season 2 Episode 3 Recap. The only difference is that normal people (who of course should not personally seek justice blindly and obsessively) are not bound by duty to follow protocols, research cases properly to preserve citizen's safety and integrity, gather real evidence with no bias or that kind of laziness: police is. I'm not sure how they could better portray that aspect of rape allegations without portraying it this way. [–]Umpire616 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (3 children). Simple and thought-provoking. "This revolutionary procedural comprises 12 unique stories set in 4 different countries: France, Spain, Germany and the UK. [–]TheWikiDoctor 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children), 26 Tweets per day. [–]DexHexMexChex 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago (2 children). So that is like Kardashian crazy? [–]Bolaf 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (0 children). Where was their father? It’s that lawyer, Henry Regis, who explains to her what an improper communication charge actually means. I just finished Episode 3 and it made me realize that the twists were actually quite repetitive. And that's coming from someone who repeatedly and with bold font spits right and left insults about being toxic, not being able to read with comprehension, not paying attention and every argument being "irrelevant". In my view, no. Made everything distasteful and tendentious. Do not include spoilers in post titles. Please use spoiler tags to hide any spoilers for the series. There was exactly nothing surprising and unexpected about this season. When she saw him out shopping in John Lewis, she was compelled to look into him and discovered he’d got another job at a private school. [–]Terrible_Vermicelli1 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (1 child). The whole time I was thinking "if they're trying to get me to feel sorry for a pedo it's not gonna work." The episode could have worked without the "evidence" of the false accusation (which was pretty weak anyway to be honest and should have been interrogated with the woman). But I've also had conversations with people who, as I'd expected, had really missed the point. It's amazing that a show that just consists of a couple people talking in a room can be so gripping. Why do people dare to criticize a show that I liked?" [–]Umpire616 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (28 children). They did not have all the facts and leaked an out of context piece of information, made their own judgement and influenced the public. Yet it feels like it’s constantly talked about by men trying to dismiss and silence women. That episode dissected the predator's well-respected exterior and twisted selfish interior perfectly. Good job, keep pretending! Portraying pedophiles to be innocent men who get lured online by scheming 14 year olds and rape victims as scheming greedy women. Michigan sex criminal is charged with murder of Danielle Stislicki, who went missing in 2016 ... Mariah Carey reveals she is a secret fan of UK TV … Rochenda Sandall is back as DC Vanessa Warren for the second series of Criminal. Admittedly the scripts are excellent but still...the acting quality on this show is so damn high, [–]Hyronious 13 points14 points15 points 3 months ago (0 children). We as a society would progress most ideally if both type 1 and 2 errors were given the same weight and consideration, and a fair opportunity to be avoided. I don't understand why Chloe was beaten up. Even if it seems like he may be innocent he's forever tainted by this public opinion of maybe he did do it before it hits the court. It makes you more cautious; it makes you a better detective.". "Innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt" is the very foundation of our criminal justice system: Guilt is to be proven, not defaulted to. There, my friend, is a job well-done by the Criminal show team. This was great commentary on the whole toxic "cancel culture" that's going on right now. I also said many times that I consider it bad writing to repeat one plot twist 3 episodes in a row in a 4 episode season. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. [–]Umpire616 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago (0 children). I don’t want to believe that a parent could hurt their kid but I do believe it when it happens. Portraying pedophiles to be innocent men who get lured online by scheming 14 year olds and rape victims as scheming greedy women. Do you get it now? It didn't consider that only 1.4% of cases ended in a conviction in 2019, that 80% of women don't report rape (often for fear of not being believed), that men are more likely to be raped themselves than accused of rape.. As in convicted and sent to jail forever this innocent black man. So when Alex was proven, at least legally, to be falsely arrested and accused of committing a crime. [–]llumox 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago* (3 children). I believe the message is that vigilantism is wrong, no matter how well-intentioned. Her face at the end... chilling. [–]gottagoghost 0 points1 point2 points 2 months ago (6 children). She didn’t say she didn’t believe that any woman could do it she said she didn’t want to believe it. real pedo hunter groups are pretty fucked up though - especially in the UK - they couldn't give a single shit about the families involved and have regularly turned up to houses while streaming on facebook. Do they do things differently In France and Spain re lawyers?? After all, the blonde guy in the office WAS a pedo, and the show doesn't ask you to empathise with him. During that scene you’re referring to, Natalie wants to lead Danielle to believe Andrew (the man she accused) committed suicide. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. I liked the first season. This is exactly why the season left a sickly sour taste in my mouth. I'm not trying to say she's innocent in all this, she definitely went about things the wrong way. Sharon Horgan plays vigilante in “Danielle”, but at what cost? It is supposed to be surprising and unexpected, that's why in shows like these you might encounter atypical criminals, to make you as a viewer surprised and to avoid being boring and predictable. And that was key. I suspect mental illness possibly leading to being an unfit parent. Am I missing something or did Danielle actually not out an innocent person and it was the police playing tricks? Described as "a cat-and-mouse drama," the TV series revolve around 12 unique crime stories that take place in four different countries: France, Germany, Spain, and the UK with three episodes … The things she does are okay until a certain point. If anyone needs more content like Criminal, you know where to go, Shows similar to Criminal on Netflix/Hulu/Amazon/HBO. 1st high profile one was Callum Hudson Odoi of Chelsea. Criminal: A cat-and-mouse drama, which focuses on the intense mental conflict between detectives and suspects. Why would Natalie say "what CAN happen" in context to the consequences of Danielle's action? This cross examination is the reason why many women are afraid to come forward or withdraw allegations. [–]letmeeatcake97 5 points6 points7 points 2 months ago (0 children), [–]LimonadaVonSaft 8 points9 points10 points 3 months ago* (1 child). ;), [–]bubblychap 7 points8 points9 points 3 months ago* (0 children). [–]gottagoghost -1 points0 points1 point 2 months ago (0 children), Long story short just say you’re a boot licker and go, [–]ChineseJoe90 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago (9 children). In other words, Danielle was indirectly responsible for the arrest of a paedophile. That is unless it was all her. someone they knew and trusted was caught; a celebrity they grew up with was convicted). Subreddit for the Netflix Original Series 'Criminal'. 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